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Jaunting Head
Joined: March 3rd, 2009, 12:14 am Posts: 248 Location: Rijeka(CRO) and Udine(ITA)
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 AG/EXP/Q Classical
Does anyone have some suggestions? Anyone (or thing) from classical music that is experimental, avant-garde or just unique.
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| May 10th, 2009, 7:31 pm |
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taceo
Joined: February 25th, 2008, 7:06 pm Posts: 56
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Personal recommendations go to Karlheinz Stockhausen, Edgard Varese, Iannis Xenakis and György Ligeti. All of them unique in their own way.
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| May 10th, 2009, 7:51 pm |
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Jaunting Head
Joined: March 3rd, 2009, 12:14 am Posts: 248 Location: Rijeka(CRO) and Udine(ITA)
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Thank you! Will explore them ASAP 
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| May 10th, 2009, 7:58 pm |
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flames
Joined: February 13th, 2008, 11:52 am Posts: 379 Location: Silesia, Czech rep.
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Terry Riley, Philip Glass, Meredith Monk, Moondog, Stockhausen (as already mentioned), La Monte Young, Cage, Pendrecki, Xenakis...
If interested in ´more classical´, try Meassien, Erik Satie or the Second Vienna School - A.Schoenberg,A.Webern, A.Berg. These are not so ´experimental, avant...´-like as for example Riley, but thery were in they era very inovative(Schoenberg´s twelve tone music was complete revolution in 1921).
Try to read some articles about classic music in 20th century.
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| May 10th, 2009, 8:03 pm |
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taceo
Joined: February 25th, 2008, 7:06 pm Posts: 56
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Yeah, that too. 
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| May 10th, 2009, 8:24 pm |
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alliaphagist
Joined: July 23rd, 2007, 10:35 pm Posts: 203 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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What's the Q stand for?
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| May 11th, 2009, 6:16 am |
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flames
Joined: February 13th, 2008, 11:52 am Posts: 379 Location: Silesia, Czech rep.
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| May 11th, 2009, 9:43 am |
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Jaunting Head
Joined: March 3rd, 2009, 12:14 am Posts: 248 Location: Rijeka(CRO) and Udine(ITA)
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hahaha
I was thinking of an abbreviation for uniQue, and since I usually capitalise the Q, I used it as that.
I listened Terry Riley's A Rainbow In Curved Air. It's great (I would use the adjective magical) and the of Stockahausen's Mantra which is... quite weird, it needs repeated listening.
Btw A Rainbow In Curved Air sounded to me more like electro than classical. Are my perceptions right or I'm just uninformed?
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| May 11th, 2009, 12:16 pm |
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flames
Joined: February 13th, 2008, 11:52 am Posts: 379 Location: Silesia, Czech rep.
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You are right. Conterporary classic movements are leading sometimes to absolute non-classic results. Just like Riley or Stockhausen are pretty good examples how can music envolve into something completely different.
Try ´In C´ from Riley, I like it more than A Rainbow...
In a fact, I found it quite hard to say what really is the avant-garde in classical music is. In a fact, classical musicians were using some standard patterns for log period. Then Busoni came and wrote something about ´new ways´ how to write the music (obviously his work sucks). Okay, then came Schoenberg and wrote parts with twelve tone technics, which was really avant-garde in these years(but could sound quite common compared to conterporary music). Old days passed and new era of classical music started. But really also Bartok or Janacek came with some revolutionary ideas into the music, this always depends on what you are looking for. If for some extraordinary extreme sounds, or for some really sofisticated classical avantgardism or whatever...
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| May 11th, 2009, 12:55 pm |
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Suleiman
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Joined: August 15th, 2007, 10:52 am Posts: 1016 Location: pakistan / kuwait
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try collbarations like philip glass and ravi shankar (passages)..eastren and westeren classical colliding
or princess of the sea...more indian c;assical greast creating maazing moods with western synthesizer greast ect
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| May 11th, 2009, 2:35 pm |
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Ulv
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Joined: July 11th, 2007, 7:22 pm Posts: 696 Location: In the middle of the Balkans
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Lars, druže, U could have asked me I have tons if it :p
even the guitarist from my band is studying compostition so he has wrotten some things
I'll ask him if I can upload the stuff....
I also recommend penderecki, he's great, natko devčić did some electronic stuff and miroslav miletic is also one of our early electronic composers!
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| May 11th, 2009, 6:46 pm |
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Jaunting Head
Joined: March 3rd, 2009, 12:14 am Posts: 248 Location: Rijeka(CRO) and Udine(ITA)
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Well, I guess for classical music it is hard being avant-garde, since it's so old. It's not really gonna combine with other genres, the only thing left is change the structures, tones, rhytms etc. In other words, being left alone so it can play with itself. A 200+ old child with no friends heh
Hope agm will always have something to mix with or even creative enough to be avant-garde without mixing genres
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| May 12th, 2009, 12:18 pm |
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aVoid
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Joined: July 4th, 2007, 3:31 pm Posts: 3649 Location: Southern Sweden
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If you're interested in modern composition combines with extreme metal, you should look out for NONEUCLID & their debut album. The gutiarist who writes the music has a diploma in modern composition from a conservatory in Holland, and it's slightly incorporated into their otherwise slightly dull modern thrash metal.
Also, GORGUTS mastermind Luc Lemay does some of that too. Not that any of these two would be considered the vanguard of modern art music.
It's a goddamn tricky question you have there, since art music works completely different than other musics. I mean, you have avantgardism in Wagner's Tristan & Isolde, a chord sequence there that didn't resolve into a proper cadence, which is often regarded as the starting point of modernism. And I mean, modernism was the avantgarde, but what is it now? A hundred years old? Hardly the vanguard of composition today...
but if no-one has said Alfred Schnittke, I'm proud to be the first. His Requiem, listen to it now!
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| May 13th, 2009, 11:14 am |
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powaviolenza
Joined: July 9th, 2007, 2:08 pm Posts: 107 Location: France
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aVoid wrote: If you're interested in modern composition combines with extreme metal, you should look out for NONEUCLID & their debut album. The gutiarist who writes the music has a diploma in modern composition from a conservatory in Holland, and it's slightly incorporated into their otherwise slightly dull modern thrash metal.
Fuck, Im discovering this right now... and it sounds FUCKING AMAZING !!
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| May 13th, 2009, 3:54 pm |
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aVoid
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Joined: July 4th, 2007, 3:31 pm Posts: 3649 Location: Southern Sweden
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Yes, I have the promo here, but I can't decide whether it is really AGM. I mean, the metal parts are pretty standard progressive, it's jsut the setting that is beyond commonness. Don't know. But it's good.
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| May 13th, 2009, 8:52 pm |
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