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Psychedelic Wunderbaum is acid music de luxe. How much has acid had to say for When?

I have had many powerful acid trips. The greatest musical experience I have had was on acid. It was so intense that I felt that the music was alive in the room.

Lars Pedersen (When, Holy Toy, The Last James, etc.)

Source: http://www.jester-records.com/releases_sub_content.php?ID=26&pID=6#content

What is also interesting is that it is none other than Erik Lancelot (Ulver, code, etc.) who asked Lars this question.


June 23rd, 2009, 1:38 am
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"However, and this is a sentiment I will always stand by, drugs can be used as a teacher and when you use them properly they can really open up your mind and I think that's where we were simultaneously led to on Northsuite and eventually "Genevieve", just coming to appreciate solitude and staring out the window just thinking random thoughts about luxurious things. It's very calming and peaceful, and I think at the core of our recent music there is a very peaceful, sleepy and comforting feeling going on behind it all."

"All the years of heavy drug use and mind exploration led me to where I'm at now, and I think it's a rite of passage everyone should go through, but that's my own simple opinion on the matter. I think you really have to gut your brain from the inside out in order to fully come into your own and appreciate life and all its fascinating intricacies."

"Genevieve" and especially "Atropine" both make use of theta waves which should explain why there is such a floating and meditative quality to these albums. I don't want to say too much here since it's one of the 'ingredients' in our little recipe of sound, but thick theta wave ambience on dextromethorphan is near orgasmic. It is where the brain peaks in contemplation and where you are able to explore thoughts with unprecedented gusto, like a barbarian of memories. It's very surreal how well you can remember specifics of the past when theta waves are mixed with dextromethorphan (or even sleep deprivation) and, in my opinion, one of the reasons our music affects people far more than a lot of other groups out there. Our music is meant to generate thought above all else, and what better way to do it than to use theta waves to bring the listener into a realm of great relaxation?"

"Anyone who thinks meditation is the same as drug use has clearly not taken the right kind or the proper dose of drugs, at least in terms of dissociatives. It's one of those lines that some people have no problem crossing and others refuse to cross. For a lot of people there is a fear of drugs that is instilled in us since childhood, and some people never break past that, just as some people never break past the god button in the back of their heads. Hallucinogens help open new channels of thought and creativity, they help you see things in ways you've never seen before, they redefine life and reality, they shade in the grey areas and add meat and substance to life. I'm always fascinated with how much drugs helped me learn and grow... they are the master teacher and when they are used with respect and not abused, they can do everything for you and more."

"[My favorite drug is] dextromethorphan, because it allows me to see like a god could see. I'm not even 30 and I'm already retired for the rest of my life... I attribute this to the knowledge drugs gave me, allowing me to see a business idea, follow it through and sell it off at the right time. I now have however many more decades ahead of me of never having to work a day job, never having to do anything I don't want to do. I can sit around, drink tea and read books or I can travel anywhere I'd like. Money will never be an issue for me again for my entire life. How rare for someone at my age. Had I never used drugs I would've never had the foresight and courage to do what I did. Dextromethorphan truly pushes you to be the ubermensch."

Josh (Velvet Cacoon)

Source: http://www.starlighttemplesociety.com/media/velvetcacoon_interview.html


June 24th, 2009, 4:06 am
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This last VC interview must be pretty recent, since it references Atropine...that's an interesting, slightly disturbing comment, since I know SO many people who hurt their brains on cough-syrup after discovering Genevieve for the first time...but I don't suppose it is the performer's responsibilities for the idiotic things their fans do...

I hadn't known this about Sun Ra - history talks about how he was celibate most/all of his life, and I guess I just assumed he was straight-edge about drugs...

There are some interesting press quotes from Mirai Kawashima of Sigh about the creation of the legendary "Imaginary Sonicscape" album....I'll have to track them down...


June 24th, 2009, 11:43 pm
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Yeah, try to track them down! That would be very nice. I'm trying to gather as many as possible.

And yes, it's a very recent interview with VC (2009), you can find the link at the end of the quote. I recommend reading it to know what's up with Josh and Angela. I'm excited about Atropine! By the way I asked Josh for an interview and he refused, saying he had gotten over his own hype and adding he wouldn't do any other interview. Too bad for us cause I think VC are really doing something unique and, why not, avant-garde.

About Sun Ra: that's right... even people who knew him literally said in interviews that he wasn't into drugs or girls. This is actually the only quote I've found where this is mentioned, but this guy talks about an early Sun Ra (1961) so perhaps he quit drugs later on. That's my only hypothesis to explain other guys saying he wasn't into drugs. That, or perhaps they didn't want the public to know it, which would be normal considering he was already seen by most people as some sort of mad weirdo. There's no need to add to your friend's bad reputation, right?


June 24th, 2009, 11:56 pm
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I think VC is great, though it is difficult to separate the hype from the the truth...I've definitely pre-ordered Atropine, though...and I hope that other album of theirs gets finished at some point, too...


at the moment, I can't find the press quotes from Sigh...the latest design update doesn't have all the interviews, unfortunately, and I can't find them on google.


June 25th, 2009, 3:29 pm
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ok, I know there was another interview that had more specific references to the recording of Imaginary Sonicscape, but this one is all I can find.

The new album, Imaginary Sonicscape, has a kickass stoner sound to it. Did you set out to make an album for stoners?

We've always had a big influence from Black Sabbath, and this time we wanted to give a psychedelic edge to the songs. So it is natural that you feel stoner vibes on the album. All the good rock albums sound great on weed. If not, it's not rock or it's not a good album!

Do you endorse hallucinogens and weed? What do you think about the terrible anti-drug laws worldwide?


At least, weed should be separated from other hard drugs. I really do not see any reason why the government has to forbid weed as illegal while alcohol and cigarettes are allowed. Weed should be legalized.

What are the drug laws in Japan?

The drug laws are really strict here. We'll get 2-3 years for Marijuana possession regardless from the amount. The Japanese do not know what is the difference between weed and other hard drugs like speed. Magic Mushrooms are still legal here, but now the government is taking steps to ban it, which truly sucks.

Also, what exactly is "Living the Scarlet Dream"?

Well, "L"iving in the "S"carlet "D"ream.


June 25th, 2009, 3:33 pm
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"For instance, when I and many other black metallers from the 90's began exploring drugs and alternative lifestyles, cracking our heads open every night, partying and ending up in an ashtray the day after, Stian (Shagrath) and the gang kept on focusing on the band and their music."

Aldrahn (DEATHTRIP, DHG, THORNS)

Source: http://www.avantgarde-metal.com/content/stories2.php?id=49


July 2nd, 2009, 10:29 pm
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"Even long before Acid and a few other far-reaching incidents turned my cultural self-image upside down, my artistic zeal was mainly determined by one motive, namely to create something like a "genuinely German pop music" away from current cliches."

Wolfgang Voigt (GAS, etc.)

Source: http://www.angbase.com/interviews/wolfgang_voigt.html

"For example Konigsforst [his second album as GAS]. "Konigforst" of course refers to the Konigsforst, a forest on the right bank of the Rhine. That's a mixed forest outside Cologne, oak, fir, beech, etc., you know! A reference point of my hippie adolescence rich with content, to sharpen consciousness for the deeper aspects of electronic life: the German forest on acid."

Wolfgang Voigt (GAS, etc.)

Source: http://www.angbase.com/interviews/wolfgang_voigt.html

Voigt cites his youthful LSD experiences in the Königsforst, a part of Germany's black forest situated near his hometown of Köln, as the inspiration behind the project. He has claimed that the intention of the project is to "bring the forest to the disco, or vice-versa".

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_(musician)


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July 14th, 2009, 5:31 pm
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How did your day start, and how's a typically day-in-the-life-of for you?

Intense occult study, mass consumption of marijuana, Saint Vitus, Doctor Who, Soledad Miranda, gluttony, narcolepsy. That's if I don't have to go to work.

Olly Pearson (Moss)

Source: http://www.mashnote.net/index2.php?id=70&page=1&type=interview


July 14th, 2009, 11:02 pm
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"At the end of the 80's and early 90's I was going to a lot of free parties and festivals. There was no criminal justice act, and there was little that the police could do. The music was basically ecstasy music... we didn't know or care who the DJ's were... It was just all good mad fun, necking yer Mick mills, and havin' it all night. Then when I started working at Butterfly, I was hearing tunes like 'the age of love', the jam n spoon stellar mix, under the influence of a dangerous acid punch,
wondering if I could make this brilliant style of music that had such a devastating effect on the dancefloor... So I made "L.S.D" and "solstice" as my first attempt at something like it, and just sorta carried on really.... "

Simon Posford (Hallucinogen, Shpongle)

Source: http://www.greenant.com/oldsite/interview.html

Do you think drugs are a necessary part of psychedelic music appreciation?

No I think altered states of consciousness are achievable without drugs, but something like DMT can replace 30 years of serious yoga and meditation, in one deep breath! But I would never recommend DMT at a party...

Simon Posford (Hallucinogen, Shpongle)

Source: http://www.greenant.com/oldsite/interview.html

Have you ever felt scared because you were in a powerless position that you could not control?

Every time you take LSD you feel that you have to "abandon" yourself to it. You don't know what is going to happen and you really have to give yourself up to the universe.

Simon Posford (Hallucinogen, Shpongle)

Source: http://www.mushroom-online.com/v2/index.php?language=&menu=frequencies&sub=interviews&art=110626


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"Our drummer had just quit the band after "The Return" because he had to do the army for a year. Our bass player at the time was taking so much drugs I told him he had to step aside."

Quorthon (Bathory)

Source: http://www.metal-rules.com/interviews/Bathory.htm

"I caught him chewing speed one evening, and although alcohol was all fine with me - hell, I even smoked back in those days - I couldn't stand drugs. It could also have been any of those pills I later learned he would take for his anguish and anxiety. I knew he had been going in and out of a mental ward for youngsters for a year or two. He was a troubled soul but a good bass player. He would connect two effect pedals - I seem to recall it was a Rotosound pedal and a first generation tubescreamer of some brand - creating this unique bass sound that I had never heard before. It was like a creature from hell growling. But he was weird and a had those really scary eyes, oozing bad vibes most of the time."

Quorthon (Bathory)

Source: http://www.bathory.nu/htmlbathory/06_kap.htm

Thomas "Quorthon" Forsberg was found dead at his apartment in Stockholm, the capital of Sweden on Monday, June 7th 2004. The official cause of death was a heart attack. Rumours indicated the main reason was drug use.

Source: http://www.metallian.com/bathory.php

I don't think these rumours are true since he never mentioned his drug use anywhere, saying he couldn't stand drugs. But still, rumours are interesting.


July 14th, 2009, 11:21 pm
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"I started as a pot-smoking heavy metal kid and to some extent that's what I still am."

Dave Mustaine (Megadeth)

Source: http://www.pe.com/entertainment/music/stories/PE_Fea_Ent_D_mustaine.ac4f2a.html

Dave Mustaine names much of the drugs he has done in his life in this 30 seconds youtube video:

-Smoked pot.
-Hash.
-Opium.
-Psychedelics and Speed.
-Crosstops.
-Black Beauties.
-Magic Mushrooms.
-LSD.
-Quaaludes.
-Heroin.
-Cocaine/Crack/free base.
-Morphine.
-Demerol.
-China White.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=penfZb8FZfs


July 14th, 2009, 11:32 pm
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"I think they should legalize pot," he says. "Not just because I smoke it, but because I think it’s a real peaceful drug, whereas alcohol can be really negative if you can’t control it. Lots of people get into fights after drinking, but I’ve never seen anybody get into a fight when they’re high."

Tom Araya (Slayer)

Source: http://hightimes.com/entertainment/bobbyblack/537


July 14th, 2009, 11:38 pm
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"And maybe that's why I'm into so much drug music; I have to experience that stuff through music. I think music can fuck with your head more than people think. So music made on drugs, to be listened to on drugs, is pretty powerful. Especially for someone like me who has never experienced any of that stuff. But it is kind of funny that so many of the bands on tUMULt are so, as you say, 'drug and alcohol soaked'. But I like it. A lot."

Andee (aquariusrecords.org and tUMULt Records big boss)

Source: http://www.tumult.net/andee_interview2.html


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James Hetfield, frontman of the cult rock band Metallica has launched an attack on the use of drugs and the drug-cult that seems to be strongly linked with rock music. He even made mention of Oliver Side's "What is avant-garde metal?" and strongly condemned it. (joke)

The rocker was awarded a special prize for helping people in the music industry receive addiction treatment.

So, in front of a massive audience filled with rock heroes he stated he totally regrets and disapproves of the strong link between the image of any rock band and the general thought that its members must use and abuse drugs as part of their as wild as it gets lifestyle.

He also launched a tearful plea for rockers to resist drugs.

James Hetfield knew exactly what he was talking about, as the star himself is a former addict. For a start he requested a moment of silence "for the people who didn't make it, that aren't with us, who could be and I think should be." Then he bashed the drug culture.

Hetfield said: "To have those things attached to music, which is the best drug in the whole world, moves me like no other. And I thank God that I discovered that gift early on."

Source: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Metallica-Doesn-t-Like-the-Drugs-23675.shtml


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